eat what you like fiendss
ive led the donkeys to water
but i cant make em drink
the things i first said in 1972
when i became vegetarian
are coming true
people are now seriously considering animal rights
in 1972 people laughed scorned and ridiculed me
for such ideas
i realise
as i realised then
with any great upheaval in the human race
when we move on
and leave our ignorance behind
and move forward
towards a goal of peace prosperity and progress
we will have to leave behind things like
slavery
female circumcision
war
rape
guns
and
slaughter of beasts
deeds that are perpetrated on weak or silent creatures
deeds that generate blood and shame and horror
i have found meat eaters grasping at the most ridiculous rationales
to justify what they know in that part of them
where god lives
in there
they know the real horror of what they consume
or are as yet
so thick
so unthawed by love and life
to remain impervious to the true horror of meat
and the way it boomerangs back on us
the killers become the killed
the pro meat comments here
are hardly worth my time demolishing
the proofs in the pudding baby
im fifty 2 and i can outrun outswim out play
out party and out anything else
most of ya who eat meat
whatever yer age
i churn out art n music
decent art n music
i raise my kids to be veg n theyre strapping n smart
their features are fine and beautiful
and their hearts are not weighed down with meat
i drive vans n cars for a thousand miles
i still jump out and rock n scream for 2 hours
i go to bed at 3
i jump out at 7 and do yoga for an hour
i say what the fucks happening
and i start all over again
my hair although its getting wispy
has hardly any grey
i never get sick
i defeated heroin baby n lived to tell the tale
and please baybee
dont tell me cos i was a junkie
that i aint got no right to preach anti meat
i laugh at your feeble protestations for meateating
your guilt pushes you to absurd limits
again
i invite all unrepentent meat eaters to depart
dont clogg up my comments with your silliness
im a veg till the day i die
and please
oh the homeless.....
what have the homeless got to do with vegetarianism again?
always meat eaters who come up with the "thickest" things
and thats no wonder really
so why write it?
you aint never gone a change me
i would no more eat meat than eat dirt
actually i know what i prefer
ive heard it all before
this is my blogge
i dont wanna hear about microscopic organisms in the air
or carrots screaming
or the homeless
or ants you trod on
or my ex junkydom
or the lions n cheetahs
or the farmers
or how tired you felt
when you stopped with the pork for a week
adolf hitla
how chicken is alright
how you need the iron
baby i heard it all
a hundred years ago
if you wanna eat meat go ahead
please dont sully my pages with your nonsense
any of ya
with whatever connection you think you have to me
respect this
no i do not respect your right to eat meat
and i dont wanna hear about it
it depresses me
it fatigues me
it brings me down
i am connected to all life
and the slaughter is horrifying me
i cant understand what kind of unfeeling person
can go on with it as it is
and i sure dont want them airing their views here
no more do i want people advocating war n rape n pillage
thats it
you never gonna cower me
i dont respond to come on killer chill out
tell us about fucking heyday
no more meat killer
please
youre boring us....
sorry pal
its gotta be perfectly clear
if you eating meat
you never really gonna be my friend
Followers
164 comments:
boo
That wanker steve kilbey is the first commmenter again!! What a showoff!
;-)
It is getting a bit scary commenting on here, I'll just say "hi" and "bye" for now.
Love
Amanda
Now some of you recently converted are going to have to ask yourselves if you did it just to impress the Killer....becuase thats the way it reads.
now that me third eye has been opened, me have been not eating meat, but me wood like to learn more from me master himself...
Jonny Moondog
anon at 9:26 -- does it matter why? If someone becomes a doctor and develops a procedure that doubles the success rate of say, kidney transplants, does it matter if that person only went into medicine because his/her mother wanted it? Does that make the good done less good?
I seriously doubt the people here who have cut meat out of their diets recently have done so soley to impress Steve. His comments/arguments on the issue may well have been what tipped the scales from "I should do that" to actually doing it, but perhaps you should ask yourself if you would be as contemptuous if someone said "I'm working on kicking my heroin addiction because of some of your posts, Steve."
I don't see why making positive changes should be considered a bad thing, no matter what the impetus for those changes is.
Steve you may need to qualify what you are saying here because you quite obviously have friends and family who are not vegetarian or vegan. If you are suggesting that you reject all meat eaters out of hand then it's plainly not true. You have the right to your convictions and choices, but advocating zealotry (and your comparisons to rape, slavery and war crimes) are ill advised. They are simply not the same. Speak to a Jew who survived the camps, speak to someone who ran from the debris as the WTC collapsed only 6 years ago, speak to someone who lived through torture and genocide in any one of a number of areas - Bosnia, Rwanda or Darfur.
Eating a ham sandwich is not the same. This sort of comparison displays wanton flippancy that does not serve either your cause or your intellect well.
Say what you like and eat what you like, but in your enthusiasm for your rationale do not trot out a roll call of human evils to other humans as a comparison.
It's NOT the same.
TV
Eek, you should get out more.
another classic meat eating loophole
no i aint talked to anyone from rwanda
have you?
rwanda
the concentration camps
yes they are tragedies
sos the meat industry
but youre still eating it, aint ya?
im not!
You pointedly miss the point SK - a butcher shop is NOT the same as a gas chamber. No rationale in the world is going to make it so.
TV
one horror allows the other
as i said youre still eating meat tho
and i aint
thats not a rationale
thats love in action
i aint saying the concentration camps werent horrific
they were
i hate all fucking camps
for humans yes
and for animals!
you know that
what you arguing for
You love the argument, you never tire of it, such is the strength of your conviction. I'm not arguing your right to to say, be and live as you choose in regard to your food. I'm arguing that your comparisons are ill advised.
Rape?
Slavery?
War?
You are reacting emotionally and not logically. I don't doubt that you feel passionately about this but don't bugger your argument by putting this stuff forward. You do your cause a disservice. It's about not being cruel to animals, right? It about the barbarism of the meat industry, right? You are well informed enough to pull enough facts out of your ass about this to fill a million blogs.
TV
wow!... i need to visit here more often!....i believe, sk, that you have hit a nerve amongst the bloggers here....but, i think, i will choose to simply observe this one....good day to all!
t v....or whoever you are.......the corrolation between the camps,and rwanda,slavery and rape and murdering beasts for consumption,when none of these thinngs are necessary IS......they are all an incomprehensible lack o respect for life......it is a shame that that in an informed and accessible culture,this is not common philosophy....genx
I converted to veg to impress Pam Anderson!
rim shot
The FACT is, that in an informed and accessible culture like this, it is NOT a common philosophy because there IS a difference.
I've not at any time said or inferred that vegetarians don't have a point, but this need to compare meat eating with every imaginable horror or tragedy and to put them on the same level does not make sense. It's turns your argument into zealotry is all I'm saying, and there is no place for zealotry in intelligent, informed and progress-seeking discourse.
TV
Tofu's company
TVP's a crowd
sk,
i feel bad. i do eat some chicken, tho not very often. don't hate me! otherwise, i can become a veggie kat. just need some (cheap) good recipes, as i don't have the money.
thanks for reminding me about the guacamole. just got some!!!
i feel a huge buzz coming on for later... :)
Ever been to an abattoir TV?
It ain't pretty and it's certainly not a holiday.
Pigs are smarter than the average 3 year-old human. A 3 YEAR-OLD HUMAN.
They live cramped in dimly lit stalls made of concrete and metal. The sows have very little space to move in and are separated from their young by cold,hard, steel crates. After 3 or 4 weeks her piglets are removed from her into barren stalls. Piglets also have their teeth and tails cut with no pain relief.
This sow is now impregnated again and this cruel cycle starts again.
Pigs get no exercise due to their "living" conditions and many of them suffer injuries like weakened muscles and bones,foot injuries, lameness, cuts and abrasions etc. They are intelligent and obviously want to get out of there and often bite the bars of their pens in frustration
Pigs are kept indoors and usually do not see the sun until they're taken to be slaughtered.
What a life! All so YOU can have your bacon. How very KIND of YOU.
http://www.goveg.com/f-hiddenlivespigs.asp
http://www.savebabe.com
Morning all,
I suspected there would be another morning blog so I'm here after a bit of a sleep in with my slippers and my cocoa, all set for a lovely little read....and I seem to have walked into the middle of something here.
Now, I'm not one to give advice (as you all know) but the old fella's not running for public office here or asking for you to sacrifice your first born for what he believes in. It's just a blog. There is so much attack and counter attack on here now that we are losing something...the essence of communication. I don't want to lose that. I like that. Does there have to be a 'them' and an 'us' on here? Can't we cultivate something a bit higher and holier than this? Can't we focus on our similarities rather than our differences?
Surely there's one thing we all have in common here. I'm not an idealistic person, I'm more of a gritty realist, but I lament the loss of something that, at it's best, provided great enjoyment and diversion for a group of like minded individuals.
My lament may be too late, I fear....
Sigh.
B.Bon
Yes, I've been to a slaughterhouse.
TV
Fighting on the internet is just like competing in the special olympics. You might win but your still retarded.
All I can say TV, is that you obviously lack intelligence and compassion.
Eating meat is ruining the environment as well. You obviously don't care about that either.
“The human appetite for animal flesh
is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage
now threatening the human future—
deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss,
social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease.”
Editors, World Watch, July/August 2004
It makes me wonder why you bother reading Steve's blog at all.
Fuck off Vegan.
I thought Kilbey didn't want to read the pro-meat eaters propaganda, yet he's obviously reading the comments and even ARGUING with them in his own comments section!!! This is ridiculous. Do us all a favor and stick to the music and painting, leave the preaching to the preachers. Thank you.
Ah Steve!!! I haven't touched meat since the last time this came up in early Feb. now when I see meat, I just see death, suffering, torture, slavery, etc...and it makes me gag and want to hurl my guts out. So, thanks for caring enough to make a point of getting through to me so quickly and effectively...I couldn't have done it without you!!!
HAPPY FATHERS DAY!!!
LOVE
Ricky
x
all i can say TV....is look deeper.............genx
If I understand you, Steve, your view is that animal life is as sacred as human life?
Fair enough.
If that is the case I can see why you would draw the comparison between a Nazi gas chamber and an abbatoir.
What I can't understand is why anyone would feel compelled to debate you on your own comments page about this issue.
Watch out everyone
Rickis here.
P.S. Vegan--
Double fuck off.
Why do meat eaters "BOTHER" reading "Steve's blog"??? Because we like his ability to write, his sense or humor, his incredible music. I still enjoy this blog even though SK gets preachy too often (especially about meat), tells people who support his music they are "straights" if they have real jobs and don't smoke weed, and waxes on endlessly about his heroin addiction. I put up with this shit because basically I believe SK is otherwise a pretty cool dude and I like reading what he has to say. Somewhere along the line this idea that this blog is an exclusive "club" for SK wanna-be's, full of yes men ready to agree with and support anything he says,reared its ugly head. If this blog's comments secion is only welcome to bohemians, vegetarians, and dope smokers, then maybe SK should address this in his next blog and not ask for money from these people. Finally, I noticed how when this blog started SK never addresed comments left. I thought that was pretty cool and wondered if he even read them. Now it's like a discussion forum instead of a blog. I think the comments section should be done away with and just let SK do his thing. Maybe it will be less controversial and heated if nobody can come back with a snappy counter-argument. And then maybe we can finally get the "Heyday" story long overdue and upstaged by all these political and moral rants.
I think Steve is a very naughty boy. Come on, Steve... admit it. You're TV, right?
MP
B.Bon,
Personally, I say let it run. Actually the banter here is not impeding communication - I think it is provoking it.
Who wants another blog that is completely author-centered and formulaic ?
Author says "X" and everyone says "I agree" or "whatever".
I'm Greek when it comes to these things.
I love debate with the one proviso that people don't flame each other.
This is the same rule most forums have.
Verdelay,
witty as always.
Anon 11:34am,
That was an appalling thing to say.
Steve...(and I guess this means I will be howled down and derided by the mob)
...I usually appreciate your writing but today I was saddened to read your line
"...and i sure dont want them airing their views here".
...I would be very cautious taking that path, for when you do,
you take yourself closer to a position that, ultimately, you yourself would despise when witnessed in others.
In history, here's how it often goes, step by step:
1) Wish for a utopian world (good)
2) Speak of a utopian world (good)
3) Preach for a utopian world (OK)
4) Insist those around your change their views (hmmm)
5) Shut yourself off from those around you when they don't change their views (not good)
6) Form a clique with those who only have the same views (bad)
7) Let this clique's ideas feedback on themselves and become more hardcore (here we go)
8) Decide to change other people's views by force...as they are but fools anyway and deserve to be cannon fodder (Oh dear !!!)
Political parties, religious groups, tyrants...all been down that path before.
Not saying that you are anywhere near that last position now !! LOL
- but caution rather than blind rage is advisable in writing.
Finally, please don't forget Voltaire's words in his 'Essay on Tolerance':
"Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too."
Hey, don't look at me! I live on bread and a small selection of vegetables. Hell, neither fruit nor nuts (anymore) because they're too beautiful to touch.
VETmpg
maybe the meat-eaters could try
beets.
richard mchealthy
ratings are up, wot ?
this is a profound issue for sk and many of us.
i believe that meat-eaters simply see animals differently.
i think they have many lives left to return and ponder this issue.
good luck to them and the potential relatives they're consuming.
Went to c Mark Seymour lassa nite at DY RSL. He's still got it. Good to hear afew old H & C songs.
He was supported by Jess McEvoy, think you'ld really like her, promoted her new album, some really good songs. Looked at the stage & thought, ah yes, I can justa picture the urch up on that stage. The crowd would go wilde that's fer sure.
That's sad about the lead singer of Boston, love "more than a feeling". Sure miss the good olde days when life was a lot simpler and the world was a better place.
Peace & love,
Therese
anonymous at 11.34.......am thankful that my qualification for the "special olympics" is a physical retardation......i would much prefer to be blind,than,"socially retarded.........genx xo
Methinks there's a bit more than water in the air these days, nota goode vibe. May the sun shine soon & give out happy vibes.
t
It is all the same. War/camps/rape/meat-eating/destruction.....
Lack of consciousness. Lack of compassion. A feeling that every living thing was put on this earth for our use and abuse, instead of our guardianship. Expect no mercy from what is above when you show no mercy to what is below (or something like that)
Thanks to those who answered me yesterday.
I was brought up in a strongly meat-eating society but now I'm also open to questioning that.
So I'm just looking for answers that actually make sense to me. Anyone's views on this matter are welcomed.
Here are some more questions that (admittedly come from my meat-centric childhood.)
People here said the killing of any animal is wrong...but how come every time I turn on the Discovery Channel I see some animal killing and devouring another animal. Is this wrong, morally ?
Not only that, but these animals don't kill their prey in a painless way - they bite and tear and maim and pull bits of these other animals...often these deaths seem to be slow and excrutiatingly painful. I have even seen animals devour their prey while that other animal was alive. Some animals seem to kill their prey not with their teeth but actually with their stomach acid (snakes for example). I don't know what to think about this.
Also - someone said yesterday humans are not carnivores. Maybe, but aren't we "omnivores" ? (anyway that's what I learnt in school science, be it right or wrong). Does anyone have any evidence to show me that we are, intrinsically by nature, herbivores and not omnivores ?
A few more dumb questions.
I have done some travelling in the world and I have seen ancient civilizations farming livestock for meat - I guess they have been doing this since Adam was a boy. For example, goat-herders in Morocco. Haven't there always been shepherds who tended flocks, not just for milk and wool, but also for meat ? Is this wrong ? I dunno - people were talking about homelessness yesterday - but it's not just the homeless who who rely on meat to stay alive...a lot of the developing world does.
Doesn't it seems a little "western-imperialistic" for you confortably off, middle-class, western educated people to start telling these poor people that what they are doing is wrong ?
A little self-righteous perhaps ?
OK - don't blast me out of the water please - I'm trying to prod some good answers out of you people.
Cheers,
Luka
You mean those good olde days when racism,
sexism,
agism,
nazism,
anyISM
were
PROmoted
were better?
THOSE old days?
Or which old days are YOU referring too?
Steve,
You said today
"you never really gonna be my friend".
Do you really want all of us dumb white-collar, meat-eating straights to piss off and never read this blog or buy your music again ??
If that's what you REALLY wish for (and I don't wish it upon you) then you might be in even worse economic times in the future.
Why would you say that ?
Why do you hope that everyone should be like you ?
Don't you see that if everyone was like you and thought exactly like you and smoked as much mj as you do we wouldn't even need to visit this blog or listen to your music because we would just do it ourselves ?
I thought you actually liked difference in this world.
Right!! Sk, why don't you leave posting a blog for a day or so and we can battle this one out fair and square, done and dust it.
I will give the readers more insight on my view.
BTW)-I just realized that half my spelling problem, is i ve got stuck keys on my computer from spilt gin....anyway!!
I believe vegan-vege lifestlyes are good for all, I believe that at the highest end of humanity we all should embrace the idea..PERIOD
BUT... this world is far from perfect, and far from the utopia that we so desire in our hearts..
So here in lies the problem.
How we explain things to ourselves has quite an influence on how we interact with other people..For examplewe come across someone asking for help, wether we decide to actually step in and help them depends on how we define the situation. If we conclude that the situation is not really serious, and starving helplessness is...Then we are less likely to help the person, then if we define it differently..
You go to vege / related gigs and other organised events for the cause..and chat all things vege.. While there are huge numbers out there who would really appriciate a warm bowl of that beautiful Dahl that you make at home.. "Far out" how much do lentals cost??
You see I want to become vegetarian
But I gotta lot of personal changes to make, long habbits die hard.. I commend the thought processes that equal a vege outcome
and I believe in it's truth...However
I will be at the Salvation army on Christmas day..serving up ham & potatoes tothe thousands... I will think about my own choices when it comes to my diet.
But!! then I can
Many cannot
Some people may feel that although it is a right to curb the feelings of intense hatred which can cause us to to be violent and kill..animals included
We are perhaps in danger of of loosing our independence when we restrain our emotions and discipline our minds-
Actually, I believe the opposite
like their counterparts of love and compassion, anger and the afflictive emotions can never be used up. People who indulge in negitive thoughts and feelings inevitably become accustomed to them..That's our fuccin planet man
That's what we have become..
If the vege lifestye brings inner-peace Fuccin brilliant
But, regardless of my choices of eating.. I will help feed the one's who can't.
Dan12 ...tks for the support
We all have moral choices
SK, you more then most.
Mattd
... still friends???
I think so.
"Although"
Mattdavison
too much tv is badde for ya too
well heres the heyday story
you see me and ploogy were in ....
whoops
my nut cutlets are ready
lisasebela,
You said
"Expect no mercy from what is above when you show no mercy to what is below"
That sounds like a perfect description of the food chain to me.
And yes...if you go swimming in the rivers of Kakadu National Park or other parts of NT, WA or Nth Qu. (Australia) you, a human, will be eaten by a saltwater crocodile.
They, being above us in the food chain, will show you not the slightest trace of compassion when it comes to the crunch.
Gulp !
luka, the balance of the eco system{until we as a "Human race",decided to manipulate it,for profit,or supposed "sophistication"},is reliant on "The food chain" being in balance.The human body does not require meat to survive! with a variety of foods available to us,in towns/townships/country areas/where ever things grow in} you/we,if we chose to do so,could live in extraordinary health,on "non animal" products....Yes lions eat other animals!they are intelligent creatures,as well.BUT,we as humans are blessed with choices......{hey ,if i m hungry,can i eat your cat/dog?} it is choice,of course....
kat,
Is 'guacamole' another code word on this blog for 'jazz' ??
Oh god - I'm so slow aren't I ?
Expect no mercy from what is above... is meant in more of a spiritual way. Ya know - us at the top of the food chain and whatever you feel is above us, if you feel anything is above is. God or the sky. Shouldn't be taken too literally.
I live in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. I don't know anything about crocodiles, except that I wouldn't eat them either. Sounds like Kakadu is a fun place though - Gulp!
Ricky!
Mucho respect for rolling your own- though perhaps Steve can convince you to quit the ciggies too
LOVE to you and your gorgeous hair...latin lips....
kisses, shandy
anon 1:45pm,
thanks for that answer. i think you are the first vegetarian i've heard making any sense...I'm gonna think about it some more.
in answer: no, you can't eat my kitty any more than you can steal my girlfriend. i guess all living things defend the things that they love and that are important to them and their future. i guess that's why some animals defend their young from attack and also defend their perceived 'territory'.
i wonder if this whole debate stems from the God vs No-God debate ?
i mean, i was brought up in a Darwinistic tradition and so i tend to see humans as part of the animal kingdom and very similar to them in behaviour and also i see humans as part of the food chain (like that other commenter said). but i guess if you believe in a god who has made humans different or special, as in the judeao-christian-islamic traditions (ie given them some form of higher intelligence able to make choices) then you will tend to fall towards vegetarianism.
this is all very interesting for me.
anon 1:45 - what's your opinion on those people in the 3rd world who simply need to eat sheep or goats to survive as the arid conditions they live in are too poor to cultivate most vegetables ?? i don't think anyone should condemn their choices...i think it's like Buddhism...don't harm something if you don't have to...but if you must do it to survive - then do it.
i'm surprised no one has explained it to me in this way before.
cheers
L
Mr.Kilbey.....you are a big tease...and a rapscallion....xxxgenx
Luka....youre welcome....and i wont eat your pussycat....tell me about your ladyfriend......no only joking{a man tastes much better when doesnt eat meat.....get my drift}......love and respect.....genx xx
sorry gen x xx,
(how many x's ?)
i wouldda used your name if I'd known it was you.
well, people - look at this !!
a meat-eating guy and a vegetarian lady discussing the issue in perfect civility with mutual respect.
who'd have thought it was possible ?
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxoooxx,
Luka
and Luka.....as to your question on arid countries.........it is again,a matter of "us" being blessed with choice....the staple foods of these "peoples"are the basis of a vego diet....quite often,in desert cultures,meat is only eaten in ceremony,as am image of prosperity....animals are currency....hows that!imagine if your life was currency,to a creature with whom you had bondedand given servitude to,in thanks for warnth and food.........and they say one day...."mmmmmmm maria s to be married on saturday.....do ya think the grooms family would be more impressed if we cooked Luka or his lady friend?".....genx
Beautiful rainy Sunday.Quite the perfect time for the family to gather for that yummy roast dinner
oh look...a wag!
Who are you waiting for killah? its like you're circling your prey.
Vegan @ 11:18
i think you are saying that the mass-production meat industry is wrong and leads to pain and mistreatment of animals. i agree with that view.
but having lived on a farm i can tell you not all farmers do things this way. some farmers grow things for themselves or small local markets - they don't mistreat their animals and they care for them very well - the animals are allowed to roam in paddocks and are given great care and attention. yes - some of those farmers also kill some of their animals one day and eat them. i don't think this is the same thing as the former meat-factories issue.
musty louse
It is the same to the animals
This is all quite fiesty? Well written mattdavison. It comes down to a question of survival. Serving a circumstantially challenged person ham on Christmas day is helping them survive. Hell, we let killers off in the name of self defense for that exact reason, an allowance for survival. Sure we could serve them something else, but they are the ones that lack choice. If we give them meat, I'm pretty sure they will eat it.
We on the other hand are fortunate enough to have choice. I'm with many here... I want to become a vegetarian (if for anything else but to look better naked!) but I lack the conviction. I guess this is my only vice. I don't smoke, I don't do heavy narcotics but I do eat meat. Just like a drug user I would say because i like it? I don't like the slaughterhouses, those killing factories and I do think they are slightly resemblant of a gas chamber? The horror of it all depends on your compasion towards animals, personally I find it hard to sympathise with a cow as much as a human but I have vegetarian friends that very much can. I respect that.
I also agree SK that animal rights are not too far off. If certain humans force themsleves onto animals sexually, or if the NZ government is seriously looking at potentially taxing their methane enriched farts, then they need rights! (Cracks me up, tax a cows fart for contributing to global warming... who else can we blame!)
But then I also have nothing against a hunter. Someone with it in them to kill the beast one on one earns the right to be a meat eater in my mind? I actually do believe that eating meat is not overly commendable but I have to live with myself and often find myself justifying my inclination towards steak and bacon.
Perhaps oneday I will look back Steve and I will be an ex-meatjunky? Fitter and healthier for it and wanting a little tolerance for my past weakness? And TV, believe it or not I do get your point, but this is KILBEYS BLOG! if he has an opinion where better to put it? I hardly think he is one to sit neutral on something he is passionate about? If you want logical debate go to http://www.handbag.com/healthfit/diet/veggievsmeat/
done. woolfie.
Just re-read my last comment. How much can I sit on the fence... Just to clarify. I like the idea and principles of vegetarians but right now in life I DO EAT MEAT... love it too much. Too weak to quit. Hate me for it if you must.
done. woolfie.
i wonder if this whole debate stems from the God vs No-God debate ?
No. It doesn't. Many people who believe in a god use that belief to justify their consumption of meat -- "God put animals here for humans use and consumption." And many people who have no belief in any god whatsoever are vegan animal rights activists.
A belief in god seems to be able to be used either way -- as reason to use anything without compunction; or to look at humans as guardians and caretakers of this world. And being an atheist does not automatically mean one will look at an animal and think "yum! Dinner!" although, certainly some do feel that way.
gen x,
i think if you travelled to mongolia, and especially to the poorer parts, you would have extreme difficulty as a vegan actually finding anything to eat.
they eat meat, meat, meat, meat (sheep, goats, even camel !) and more meat (did i mention horse meat ?). when they are not eating meat they eat steamed breads or dumplings filled with...uh...meat...or they have plenty of dairy products (oh no !) including sheep's milk, goat's milk, yak's milk, horses' milk and yoghurt made from all of the above.
i guess a vegan could live on the wheat noodles they have (how many weeks could you last ?) - but of course the wheat noodles are usually cooked in a stock made out of...you guessed it...m
anyway - i guess i'm not making any major point here suffice to say that although you may feel that the whole system is wrong - an individual born into a non-western country - often has little choice and little ability to change these things.
i think it is a mistake to think that all people in developing countries only eat staple cereal foods...i have often found it to be the opposite.
voluntary vegetarianism (like "depression") often seems to be something born of the "developed world".
take care,
luka
You can't comment on yr own blog sk
It's one of the rules..
woolfie you
must look
like a
whopper burger!
porkcrackle
i'm not going to enter the meat debate...got news today that a family member who's very dear to me is dying of massive heart failure due to multiple heart attacks...nothing they can do except make her comfortable and wait for her to die...she's fighting for her life and not giving in...my five year-old believes that when somebody dies there's a new star in the sky...i'll just quietly grieve and you guys can stand on your soap boxes and yell at each other...
-The Hellbound Heart
i don't understand what part of "THOU SHALL NOT KILL" people don't get.....
perhaps at some point on this planet their were these evil overlord types that disguised themselves as benevolent beings and set in motion a world in which slaughtering was encouraged
perhaps they fed off the fear that was created by the slaughter..........ya know........the sheer horror of it all
and as the years rolled by the practice became ingrained within the societies to the point where most of the masses didn't question the practice
*****my little fictional story here reminds me of a clip i saw a few years back where old georgie boy was laughingly telling a vegetarian journalist that she should eat more meat.......hmmm......******
I've been called worse than a donkey ....not usually on father's day but there's a first time for everything....back to my foxhole...
ps...just read hellbound's post...i think that's an ender folks...your in my prayers brother....
luka ....i hear what youre saying....not to be "preachy" but again,WE are fortunate enough to have choices....and YES i would have a few big problemos in mongolia....i did think that they had staples of grains and dried herbs etc{including onions etc}which are all high in nutrients....it would be rude of me,of course,to knock back an offer of hospitality,or request a special meal....but then ....it is all about choice..and conditioning....with respect to you,ladyfriend and kitty xxxgenx
That could single handedly be THE most intelligent, witty takedown I have ever read thegapbetweenreality. I think you could quite possibly be the brightest coloured peanut in the turd!
done. woolfie.
The Hellbound Heart -- my mother died a little over three years ago after a close to life long battle with heart failure. You and your relative are in my thoughts
sending you love and strength,from gen and morgen{my little one}......hellbound heart...you as well have my utmost respect.....xxxxxxxxxooooooooo genx
Love to you HH at such a difficult time.
7.45am on Fathers Day here in blighty. The sun is shining and I've just enjoyed my brekkie of tomatoes on toast.
We all know where you stand SK. This debate surfaces every few months....with the same responses. From a personal point of you I would just thank-you for encouraging me to give up meat. I haven't found it at all difficult to sustain the refrain....but I do miss the cigarettes even though I packed them up over 2 years ago.
Love to all,
Davem
xx
BTW Steve I think your blog titles are just brilliant. Todays especially.
i'm stewing about all my other bad habits now.. little debi zebra cakes and sugar and cigs to just name a few?
sorry to hear your news, hellbound heart.
god bless,
Mein Gott im Himmel !!!
What have we here ?!
To sum up today's efforts then -
"Thou mayst open a can of worms,
But thou shalt not eat the contents." (Tristan the simple)
All my love to Isolde,
Tris
The meat discussion would be verging on satire if I hadn't seen it here for the last...what is it, year or two.
Satire, I say, because I just saw a skit on SNL where a presidential candidate is running under the neo Nazi reform. Since the former Nazism was/is based on hatred- there's not much change in the new take, '...new nazi's are really jews: they like meat, money, capitalism, war".
Why not capare autracities? Fair enough. OK Steve, I'll see fast food nation. I'll try to focus on Greg Keneer- love that guy.
And now for something COMPLETELY different -
So, Steve, tell us about those Heyday shirts....
kat,
i hope those cakes don't have real zebra in them !!
Steve
Happy fathers day this reminds me of the planet of the apes where the ape chases the other up the tree yelling ape killed ape....I'm getting old.... much love
Steve in Fl
Anons11:36 and 11:55, I ain't going anywhere.
Not a Musty Louse,I was talking about factory farms but to me killing any animal IS mistreatment. Eating meat in our civilization is unnecessary, we have such an abundance of food.
To me eating meat is pure selfishness, greed and gluttony. To expect an animal to die just because you like the taste of their flesh is sinister and disgusting.
I also think the farm land that you are using could be more of use for crops.
10 acres (5 football fields) produces:
* 60 people growing soya
* 24 people growing wheat
* 10 people growing maize
* 2 people groving cattle
- http://www.veganvillage.co.uk/vegfam/feed.htm
A question - why do all vegetarians/vegans here have to be so smug and evangelical about it?
Really? Why can they not make their choices and shut up. I'm not talking about Steve having the right to say whatever he wants on this blog so you can put that away for now.
If you really want to spread the word about it maybe just getting the information out their would make more actual difference. Nearly all the vegos on this blog are either giving themselves a big congratulatory pat on the back all the time or abusing anyone who is not the same as them and dares to say it. Not all vegetarians are like this!
I think the person at the top was also right. Going off your rocker about vegetarianism and comparing it to rape and war is too extreme. My grandfather was in a concentration camp and you don't know thw half of what went on in there. I don't think he would rate his experience as the same as you lot so easily do.
He is also a vegetarian.
vegan
your propaganda is not going to work.
it's supply and demand in farming as in any other business.
you are not a farmer are you? so don't act like you know how their business works.
not surprised that your grandfather is a vegetarian.....he obviously has a great respect for liberty and life
anon at 6.41....".nothing is constant but change"
My grandfather has his own reasons for not eating meat.
He does not bray about it the way you lot do though! If you didn't act so superior and put so many off side with your manner you'd do a lot better. It wrecks this blog they way you are all so smug. Not everyone has a thousand arguments and websites to send people to like you do when all you've ever done is eat meat because thats how you were brought up.
Everyone gets definsive when they are attacked.
Lv 2 ya HH...
Woolfie is a great lookin chap mr thegapbetweenreality-
More like a vege roll (wheatgerm & eggplant) much better then a whopper... and no m**t..
Mattdavison
I´m a meat eater and a fan of your music! If because I eat meat you will never consideer me your friend, what the hell I am doing spending my money in your albums and in your shows???
We´re no longer teenagers man, I am a grown up man. I buy your stuff but I dont need your NAZI and RACIST point of wiew.
This is a repeat of previous blogs
I agree with MP
TV is SK
In a previous blog someone SK was with was eating fish
HAHA, you are awesome. Blah blah to the naysayers and meateaters! I really look up to ya..
Hi Eek. You took the words right out of my mouth with your comment to anon at 9:26. Nice job!
Someone up above talked about this argument in terms of logic vs. emotion. Well, I'm here to tell you that it is both logically and rationally better to be a vegetarian/vegan. It is a proven fact that those that live the longest in the world are vegans. People are welcome to do their own research on that if they like.
Yes, you will live longer and be less likely to fall victim to heart problems and various cancers, especially colon cancer, if you don't eat meat. You will also not be killing innocent animals in a brutal fashion.
Knowing the above, why would anyone ever want to eat meat?
Sheeshh ! What can I ad that didn't rant here last febuary?.
Though the meat industrie is clearly indefensible this soapbox blogg debate is an exersice in futility. I think the great tragegy here is that this planets dominant species ended up a fiercly tribal omnivorous ape. At times i've wished i was born somthing else but a pig in a cage definently aint on the list. However here i am , human , flawed and full of contradictions. I strive to live by my ethics but my ethics have led me to some difficult quagmires. Certianly if i didn't engage with the world of meat eaters i wouldn't be employable. I'd be pretty damm lonley too. Nup writing meat eaters off aint the answer. David Bowie eats meat but Michael Boltons a vegetarian. Sting only eats meat from animals raised on his organic farm. Ethics aside i know who i most like to meet. If i ever get to hang out with Bowie i wont be giving him a vego rant. Insult me all ya like but that's just the way i am. Fickile perhaps ? Human yes.
Hey Matt i did it !. Cooked up some organic vegie meals and gave them to the local homeless. I know i'm not pure of intent yet but i felt my hearts armour soften just a litte. It felt good i'll definently be doing it some more.
I'm a pescetarian, cycling, left-wing, commie-pinko-faggot loving tree hugger, who fucking detests 99% of car owners. I have various reasons for my views and have arrived at them after 40+ years of living.
I eat fish because I can and have killed fish. I've never killed a chicken, a cow, a lamb or a pig. Maybe if my children were starving I would.
Steve's views are his own, he's arrived at them through experience and 100% entitled to them, especially on his own blogg. Why just come here to attack someone on their own blogg? Is it because they have a cock the size of a small whelk and a massive need for attention because even their own parents didn't actually love them?
Brian
Brian
Did we meet as some peace and loving event?
Wow you have changed man
Sooooooooo not cool to be cruel
opps sorry wrong blog
thought I was on a high school blog
see ya
I know how to work out who is pretending to be who - language used - sentence structure
Be more clever guys.
PHANTOM BLOGGER 100 STRIKES AGAIN
BACK ONTO THE COSMIC ROAD I GO
WHERE I COME FROM NOBODY KNOWS
A JOURNEY TO WHO KNOWS WHERE
TAKE ME TO THE JOURNEY TRAVELLER
steve
what do you want to hear?
leanne
Chirpitty-chirp-chirp,
That's my call.
I'm chuckling now,
I've had a ball.
Thanks for your comments,
Thank you all,
I was the wag wot started it all !!
Pescetarians have the smallest dicks in the world. It's a proven fact, you can see for yourself
www.smalldicks.com.uk
They also have the biggest chips on their shoulders about their noble habits. It's a proven fact which can be checked below
www.arrogantarseholes.com
Most were also abandoned at birth. It's a proven fact. Check on this website -
www.fuckoffkid.net.uk
And it's been conclusively proven to beyond a shadow of a doubt that they all suffer from chronic halitosis. see here -
www.stinkyfishbreath.com
It's true - I READ IT ON THE INTERNET!!
Please explain above person
Well he/she read it on the internet.
Well I heard it through the grape vine and I'm just about to loose me mind ....honey yeah ......
I heard through the grape won't you be my baybee yeah .....
Read 8.15pm
Is steve really Tv?
how can u tell whose who, 8.40pm person?
wow.....nothing is getting this blogcommenting going as the veggie vs carnivore subject....
Ha, there seems to be sport here for agitating the hard of thinking. Great use of humour doing the "hadapersonalitybypass.com" stuff. A bit 1996 though.
Brian
Armistice?
B.Bon
Boggy - I think it's all got to do with what TV ate for tea. SK pissed, perhaps?
A. Master ib.
I've been and gone and done it.
God help us all.
Best I can say today Steve is that I respect your right to have your opinion, free will and free speech on this matter of meat.
I share a similar take on some of your life views...others I don't. Ultimately it makes not a jot of difference as we don't know each other. I like your music and the way you express yourself...that won't change for me.
Oh d ah… there’s a ploblem – it’s duck and froggy! And the well gutted fortless ass a pleb bull in hiss shoo.
Thi Vy and Effie G
Duh.... Anon 6:41 The less people demand meat, the less supply there will eventually be. That's just how it works. You don't have to be Einstein to work that one out!
Anon 8:40-
You know who I am, do you?
Well, I know you too, so fuck off you fat fuck.
Solely...
wee dlunk!
Steve, I've been quietly reading your blog for some months (my partner is a big fan of yours) and I have to say that you've impressed the hell out of me. Coming from some little burg, I wasn't really aware of The Church or who you were until I met my partner, but I like what I 'see' and hear from you on this blog. Thank you for always striving to live by your values - the point that always seems to be lost in this veggie/meat debate. Cheers.
your nut cutlets are ready...funny fella. and it's also also funny/strange how huge this debate always gets...what 116 comments now. i normally read everyones, but too many today. doubt you'll get to mine down here, but it's odd how fast everyone is to argue about meat, but if something on the war in iraq comes up, the whole comment section doesn't blow up. and maybe it's because this whole group here is anti-war...so that's good, we all agree there. i don't know, maybe we just have some real passionate meat eaters here...or we just have some people who want to get ya pissed off. personally, i eat very little meat...but i eat it, wish i didn't...know i shouldn't. and i'm certainly not gonna sit and write, and argue for pro eating it...sounds silly, doesn't it? have any of you ever driven behind a chicken truck...it screams unsanitary...no, that's not even right, not harsh enough...more like digusting shit bucket. let me put it this way...doesn't make you want to run out for a chicken sandwhich. but anyway, that's my part in all this. take care steve and happy fathers day man.
mark
Hey SK!
It's great to see you being the voice for the voiceless again. It is an issue that needs to be adressed again and again until there is an end to the meat industry.
As you know, I was inspired by you to become a vegan and I have never looked back.
I hope you inspire other people on this blog to take a leaf(!) out of your book and 'go veg'.
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i propose a f.o.k. day (friends of kilbey)
each person reading this blogge takes one day (week,year)to go without meat.
just try it. what have you got to lose? not afraid of a little something different, are ya?
i promise, the meat will still be there waiting for you when (if) you want it.
I love it when SK gets preachy. So entertaining.
Its not like Bono preachy because he doesn't ass kiss politicians, its just a here is my position, take it or leave it.
I'm a meat eater and have no shame in it. But my differing view has nothing to do with why I'm a fan of the killer. And I doubt we ever really would've been friends anyway. I'm still gonna read your blog that I "subscribe" to and buy your music.
EXCELLENT blog today SK. I have nothing more to add - you've said it all.
cheers!
Attaboy SK...tell 'em all the f-off. You've sold your units to the straights. Then can all burn their copies of Starfish while munching a Big Mac now!
As much as I cringed reading your blog, fearing the backlash, I admire the stones you showed in writing it. I've been a healthy veg for 17 yrs myself.
BTW, commentator from way back earlier in the day, Mark Seymour does indeed still have it. His album "Embedded" has some incredible songs on it. He's also a straight-up left wing dude.
Allister
OK SK you sure know how to stir up debate - add that to your sickenly long list of talents.
I'm your friend - I still eat some meat, but a hell of alot less than I did and ya never know soon may free myself from it altogether. I do love fish and veggies though.
Meat - especially beef makes you feel so heavy after - so in essence it can't be good for you.
TV says you can't compare meat production to other atrocities. That's because he values human life above animals - I can see that you value all living creatures equally, which is why you can make that statement with conviction.
I'm not going to be hypocritical here, but the more as a carnivore one thinks about the process of the meat getting to the plate, the more I feel disgust with it and myself for being a party to it. It is fucked up and wrong - yet I still do it.
I think this is because like most non veggies I have gone through life trained not to think about that aspect of it. Like most car drivers don't think about emissions. Like people wearing garments made in third world countries don't think about the almost slavery that may have produced them.
There is too much denial and maybe it's time we all cut the shit on a broader level and thought about what we are doing to those around us on a daily basis, simply by ignornace.
Your words could help convert me yet SK. Over half of my week is meat free and I feel much healthier. Working on the rest to get off my 34 year addiction.
So do keep pricking our conscienses - it can make a positive difference. It helped me to think.
Peace
Belfy
This blog debate has shown once again that in the meat/ non-meat debate it's vegetarians that are the ones being asked to justify their position. Is this not a case of proving a negative? Having to justify why we don't eat meat, as opposed to the meat eaters justifying their stance? Being a vegetarian isn't a quirk, it's a moral stance we take and we shouldn't be afraid to talk about it. If you see a meat eater with his sausage sandwich, remind him he has "Auschwitz on a plate". And before you get all indignent, that's a quote from a Jewish vegetarian activist.
As regards the animal suffering = human atrocity debate; this is precisely the point! There is a correlation here, it's the fact that humans consider themselves superior to the rest of the animal kingdom that justifies the general mistreatment of the rest of the species we share the globe with. Have you figured out the correlation yet? The Germans were able to square the anhilation of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, Russians etc. in the camps by refering to them as sub-human. So, basically, they are no longer on a par with the rest of the humans and whatever treatment befalls them is OK. There's a similar correlation with every atrocity carried out before and since, be it Pol Pot, various African scenarios etc. The bottom line is, we're on the earth together and we are all entitled to have a suffering free existence, be it homosexual, Gypsy, Jew, me, you, cows, pigs, ants, monkeys etc. etc.
And I know some wag will say, "but jaguars kill antelopes". Sure they do, but they don't inflict repugnent suffering on said antelope for months/ years prior to seeing it off.
Here's something for you to consider. "In North America and Europe around 17 billion land animals were raised and killed during 2001 to feed us. Somewhere between 50 and 100 million further animals were killed in labs, while another 30 million were killed in fur farms. The vast majority of these animals were forced to live and die in conditions most of us would find morally repugnent. Yet their use has been justified by the belief that nonhuman animals do not deserve significant moral consideration." This is from a piece written by Gaverick Matheny.
And as for meat eaters; Gordon Ramsey is a famous UK chef, he promotes meat. Have you seen how he looks and acts? Enough said. If that's what becomes of meat eaters I guess the point is proven....
can we talk about the persia e.p.
wherein no animals or their keepers were hurt, abused or killed?
r.mch
ok, to answer some anon's questions, guacamole is not the same as jazz,as far as i know, unfortunately.
zebra cakes are just sugary flour,fake chocolate and vanilla with some unknown hodge in the middle. sorta scary.
my diet is awful, even without meat, period...except for salads.
happy fathers day, SK!!
I appreciated today's blogge, TB. A good read.
I've often wondered what would happen if we encountered a species like us but more technologically advanced, showing up on 'ol planet earth from another galaxy. What if they take the same attitudes we do towards lesser creatures and farm humans as a tasty delicacy. Rod Serling did an old "Twilight Zone" episode on this theme way back when. The naive people found the alien being's cookbooks for how best to prepare human - and they suddenly realized they were the new animals on the farm.
Blah blah blah. Please keep the hollow moral arguments to yourself. It always comes down to "your" (whoever you may be) interpretation of higher order and morals and natural . Evidence like "where god lives" and comparisons to war and rape are so twisted. God surely didn't create the dolphins and sharks and big cats and thousands of species including man. Surely they all have free will.
Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see how many spineless vegetables on here step forward and away from the approved party line to say abortion is wrong and should not be legally tolerated. Humans are animals right? Several months ago Killer (aptly named) said he doesn't know what to think about abortion and "the jury is still out on that on that one." Ohhh Hmmmm. Maybe your self worshipping enlightment is nothing but an illusion. The only thing the jury is still out on is whether heroine destroyed your soul in addition to your body and mind.
P.S. I don't know know where to find all these sloppy tired people you refer to. Most everyone I know have post graduate knowledge, certified or otherwise and are very physically fit. The E word for enlightenment here is exercise. Staying away from fast food would help quite a bit, I'll hand you that you fuckwit.
+1
yell at a police dog and get 5 years in jail
i have not read any comments yet ( 130!!) but looks like ya stirred up the ant bed...i'm sure this will rage on until the end of time. When people get hungry , watch out, they will kill...Animals , you know, survival of the fittest...And I Know That YOU CARE, what happens to me...And you know that I care what happens to you....Dee~Tx*
I beheld the earth and it was waste and void and the heavens had no light and the birds were gone and the fruitful field a wilderness
the whole land was desolate....D*TX~
the boiling crowd.....
loaded on meat product
comes up with "fuckwit"
i dunno i mean who
could talk to a music hero ( i assume) like that.
i just find it strange
do people listen to the lyrics of songs and take every line to task.
this is a blog filled with opinion
i don't think anyone including sk gives a shit what "the boiling crowd" thinks.
Steve Kilbey's most compelling blog was aptly composed on Father's day. Vegetarianism is a moral, societal and planetary imperative. I wish that Steve would have been more vocal when The Church were real famous in the late 1980's. PETA and other animal rights organizations would have given them more publicity. Meat is so uncool and the Church's music is still very cool !
Abortion!??
Men should not be allowed
to participate in that
debate until they are able
to conceive. Peri-fuckin-od.
The boiling crowd.....
Fuckwit?? Steve Kilbey??
Err...I don't think so matey. I love the way you can quote his lyrics though!! Why on earth do you read his blog if you think that of him? Can't you spend your time engaged in something that brings you some pleasure? How sad.
Evening all.
davem of Dock Green.
xx
Hey Steve!
When you think about many millions of living things being killed without mercy just so we will have something to eat for barbecue on sunday, it does seem rather barbaric. Sadly, thats the american ideaology. Children are raised here so that they dont have to think aobut where that steak or chicken wing came from. It doesnt occur to many that these used to be living things, with a soul. I would like to think that your analogies were excellent. I would say quite a few people died in world war 2, and another commenter mentioned the wtc attacks, but that isnt anything compared to the millions of chickens and cows and pigs being slaughtered each day so we can poison ourselves. If you can change just one person from their bad ways, than good on ya mate! Im on the same page you are. Meat is not good for you. Your comments on your blogge are definately making people think.
Love all that you do,
-Allen
Galveston TX
i find it fascinating that the defensive {guilt or bitterness ridden} commentors .....who shout about "intelligence"and perceive it as a certificaet presented to them...........almost always use vulgar language as a retort......"fuckwit"?and my favourite one from a couple o days ago......."fuck the fuck off"...?i cant match that....except to say backto these commentors...... "I KNOW YOU ARE ,BUT WHAT AM I?!".....genx
hi
im a nazi n a fuckwit
i love heroines
especially in movies
want sweet potato fries with yer nut cutlets?
It's still fathers' day in America. Steve's vegetarian blog was a gift to the ultimate father, namely, the Creator. If somebody has a problem with Steve having reverence for all the Creator's creation and creatures, that means they are an affront to the Creator.
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ah, steve, i had sweet potato fries for dad's day and pad thai.
and nori rolls and soy ice cream. but i don't feel so good now.
so...was it the gluttony or the lack of animal product?
r.
All is I know is the proof is in the pudding for me. Since I became a vegetarian a while back...I have lost 20 pounds, severely lowered my blood pressure and cholesterol levels, am sleeping better at night, and am the healthiest at 42 that I have ever been in my life. I love watching the people I work with go through the drive through and get the heart attack in a sack and poop out before 1:00 p.m. Too funny. Give it a try. Trust me...you'll feel better.
Mark
Tampa, Fl
ah, friendless and alone again
some fallen angel in a pool
of mascara, filet mignon, motor oil, jet fuel, crucifixion, mastercard
i weep
“`I weep for you,' the Walrus said: `I deeply sympathize.' With sobs and tears he sorted out Those of the largest size, Holding his pocket-handkerchief Before his streaming eyes.”
sk, I know you are missing yr dad on fathers day
Lv
Mattd
nz awaits, manuka honey ontap 4 ya pal
It's not fathers day in australia
Good one today!
Greetings from Stockholm,
I just watched "Dig!",
pretty good stuff the BJM...
Just one fing guvnor, what are me flippin teef for then?
Disable the comments section, SK.
Too many people baiting and grandstanding. It's wearisome. It's only putting your blood pressure through the roof, SK, processing all this bile.
I know you'll miss me (!), but there's still snail mail for subscription etc.
Take a break from it at least. There can be such a thing as too much feedback....
B.Bon
Father's Day isn't till September in Australia...Australia and NZ are different to the rest of the world in this regard.
meat
mate
team
ate-m
m-tea
See Davison Thats Why You Suck
Snide none of your buisness comments about other peoples fathers who have passed on or around fathers day
have some class most of us can spot your kind a mile away and genereraly give a wide berth
mind your own buisness and go "act" like a nice guy
brawn
Guy's... Kilbey has lived in many countries where the various global giving thanks day's are different on the calender...It's everyone else who have been commenting that is fathers day in their parts of the world..he was mentioning his girls in Sweden the other day..Perhaps brought on by the realization of it's universal meaning..
It may have been that i was wrong in saying that only to sk.. but It could mean as much to other people.
I am sure sk thinks of his father often..as do many readers
I am a friccin nice guy pal, thats why I don't write crappy incridious rubbish like you Mr Anonymous..
And I bet I am a heck of a lot better looking than you, plus being a nicer guy
No worry's over here buddy..........
Belfrank,
I think you will find that most vegetarians/vegans were brought up as meat-eaters. I certainly was. I used to eat KFC, loved my steak, ate 2 Big Macs in one go etc.
Once I realized the suffering behind my burger, I decided it was not for me. It's easy to think "out of sight, out of mind". I haven't eaten meat now for 13 years and you wouldn't be able to pay me to eat it.
oi loike bananas and jazz and mucho guac......am hungry....genx xxxxxx
God doesn't exist. It is a constuction, made up just like the tooth fairy and unicorns. The sooner the world gets over this medievil god rubbish the better.
i think it's boxing day here
brian cummoreforya, you're like a rolling ticker on the trading floor @ vegdaq.
This evening I had some roast beast on a skewer down in the sewer. man, was it tasty.
I ate a cow once, I was that hungry.
ADDICTION TO REACTION.
Everything that lives on this planet, chose to be where it is at any given point; I don't mean just humans....ANYTHING that lives.
What is true for you is what you have observed yourself. When you loose that, you have lost everything.
ML,
don joe
Wow, what a bunch of wankers. I liked what you said.
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